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Post by lok3 on Oct 6, 2004 21:58:43 GMT -5
you mean you could squat 5 plates, deadlift 5 plates and bench 3 plates? pardon me, but from you mass, thickness and physique, i really doubt that you would be able to perform that, especially the 5 plates squat and deadlift. i would be impressed and amazed if you could show us a clip of your 5 plates full squat. tks. no offence. Im sure u haben seen the clip oracle posted showing a skinny 14yo 120lb boy dling 4 plates raw ;D
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Post by Oracle on Oct 6, 2004 22:23:03 GMT -5
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Post by captnJ on Oct 7, 2004 1:27:21 GMT -5
then why not mr powerlifter show me a clip of his own? 5 plates...raw? Uh are you addressing me? I would love to show u 5 plates IF I COULD DO IT. i never claimed to be able to. If you add it up 5 plates is 495 lbs. I never claimed to be able to do that. And i would also love to have clips of all my workouts to check my own weaknesses and my own technique, but like i said in my Training DVD thread... its almost impossible to get a camera into most gyms... let alone a video cam. regds jonathan BTW in all my workout pics i make sure to photoshop out all my army of spotter-helpers and also to make sure i use plastic plates. I have these plates specially made, so I can shock people on the internet as to how "strong" i am... Its my lifetime goal to be the strongest virtual man in the world. But seriously, i have no motive not to be truthful. fame? there are many stronger than I, money? come on strength sports are not big money makers! attract girls? haha i dont mean to be sexist cos i really do treasure my lady freinds and whomever will be my future wife but 99.99 % of women are clueless about physical performance ( i do know a couple great ones though) everything is heavy to them:) In the end, on the net we are free to say or do whatever we like. and yes 5 plates will come sooner or later. but for this season in my journey its time to give up a bit of maximal strength for more agility and court fitness.
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Post by Freakazoid on Oct 7, 2004 4:11:38 GMT -5
well like what you've mentioned, its a virtual world and anyone could say anything they like. one could say he could squat 5 plates and the next moment he would say 6. i could say i'm a shredded 300 pounder would any believe? maybe... its all very subjective and everyone could voice out their opinions. its only a matter of using their brains or ass to think. don't you agree? no offence pls.
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Post by captnJ on Oct 7, 2004 4:23:48 GMT -5
well like what you've mentioned, its a virtual world and anyone could say anything they like. one could say he could squat 5 plates and the next moment he would say 6. i could say i'm a shredded 300 pounder would any believe? maybe... its all very subjective and everyone could voice out their opinions. its only a matter of using their brains or ass to think. don't you agree? no offence pls. Well you have seen the training pic so draw whatever conclusion suits you. If you are looking for help, please post in the other threads, im glad to share my experiences. If you are looking for argument, sorry im a rather secure guy so its not going to happen.
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Post by Laurent on Oct 7, 2004 4:32:48 GMT -5
I have always believe in one doesn't need to be BIG in order to lift heavy. its especially true for captnj case.
Mental strength plays an important role in powerlifting. Most if not all power lifters psyche themselves up when lifting heavy. Watch ronnie video and u know - he keeps yelling "lightweight" when deadlifting a 800pounder.
I have read a case where a mother can overturn a truck with her bare hands when she saw her baby got ran over....
Oh, strength and hypertrophy is not relative. having strength does not neccessary induce or deduce that hypertrophy is taking place and vice versa. its being explain in HST theories by bryan hayc0ck.
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Post by mriya on Oct 7, 2004 22:07:11 GMT -5
well like what you've mentioned, its a virtual world and anyone could say anything they like. one could say he could squat 5 plates and the next moment he would say 6. i could say i'm a shredded 300 pounder would any believe? maybe... its all very subjective and everyone could voice out their opinions. its only a matter of using their brains or ass to think. don't you agree? no offence pls. Freakazoid, frankly i believe what CaptnJ claims. Strenght, as he says , is not purely determined by size alone. The more relevent information you might want to demand from him might include training age , diet, training protocol etc, Take myself for an example. I started training in January 2003, at the weight of 48kg. ( I am 161cm, female, age 20 at start of training) At 52kg , I have lifted: good mornings: 65kg (1.25x my bodyweight) squat: 78kg (1.50x my bodyweight) deadlift: 80kg (1.53x my bodyweight) my bench is pathetic though, lol bench : 40 kg (.80x my bodyweight) My max for clean and jerk has been 45 kg for snatch has been 33kg . ( I hired a personal trainer who was familiar with the Olympic lifts) With the exception of the 65 kg good morning which I attempted this April, the rest of the lifts were accomplished within 7 months of beginning training. And i come from a completely unathelectic background. Now, women possess about 40% to 60% of the upper-body strength and 70% to 75% of the lower-body strength of men . ( quoted from National Strength and Conditioning Association: Position Paper: Strength Training for Female Athletes. National Strength and Conditioning Association, Colorado Springs, 1990) So why isn't it possible for CaptnJ to lift those weights at that bodyweight? Ive been shopping around for his posts, all of them show a deep understanding of training protocols, sports physiology, recovery methods etc etc. CaptnJ probably knows how to spend his time in gym well. Moreever, he does state that he trains specifically for strength ( closely related to speed).
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Post by Oracle on Oct 7, 2004 23:09:39 GMT -5
.. Take myself for an example. I started training in January 2003, at the weight of 48kg. ( I am 161cm, female, age 20 at start of training) At 52kg , I have lifted: good mornings: 65kg (1.25x my bodyweight) squat: 78kg (1.50x my bodyweight) deadlift: 80kg (1.53x my bodyweight) my bench is pathetic though, lol bench : 40 kg (.80x my bodyweight) My max for clean and jerk has been 45 kg for snatch has been 33kg . ( I hired a personal trainer who was familiar with the Olympic lifts) wow. that is impressive. where do u train? definitely not safra, i guess. this is a forum mah.... we all agree to disagree.
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Post by captnJ on Oct 7, 2004 23:41:03 GMT -5
I'll suck up my ego and admit the fact that i am feeling rather well defended by a woman...haha
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Post by mriya on Oct 8, 2004 1:57:26 GMT -5
lol freakazoid I never said that you know little le. I'm not disturbed or troubled by your doubts, i was sharing my beliefs on it. Nor am i agitated by your posts. I was just surprised that though being immediately disinclined to believe him , you did not ask questions that would give you insight into the possible veracity of his claim. Rather you kept harping on about the fact that anyone could lie in here. Granted. Anyone could lie in a forum. But his poundages, though unusual around here....aren't exactly world class for his weight. it's entirely believable. he's not making any unplausible claims at all. that's why Im quite willing to believe him. Simply because its possible. anyway from the way that captnJ speaks, i believe that he is not just reading Muscle and Fitness etc, but is reading sport science texts and professional journals by doctors etc. Haha ok if this is just the way you talk, Im really sorry for saying that you come across as rude and childish. I humbly apologize to you, sincerely. forgiven? You here to learn ? me too oracle, I don't train in safra, that's right. I just use the SSC gyms, as it's the cheapest around and most accessible for me. I'm still a poor undergraduate.
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Post by mriya on Oct 8, 2004 2:01:32 GMT -5
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Post by Freakazoid on Oct 8, 2004 2:12:44 GMT -5
lol freakazoid I never said that you know little le. I'm not disturbed or troubled by your doubts, i was sharing my beliefs on it. Nor am i agitated by your posts. I was just surprised that though being immediately disinclined to believe him , you did not ask questions that would give you insight into the possible veracity of his claim. Rather you kept harping on about the fact that anyone could lie in here. Granted. Anyone could lie in a forum. But his poundages, though unusual around here....aren't exactly world class for his weight. it's entirely believable. he's not making any unplausible claims at all. that's why Im quite willing to believe him. Simply because its possible. anyway from the way that captnJ speaks, i believe that he is not just reading Muscle and Fitness etc, but is reading sport science texts and professional journals by doctors etc. Haha ok if this is just the way you talk, Im really sorry for saying that you come across as rude and childish. I humbly apologize to you, sincerely. forgiven? You here to learn ? me too oracle, I don't train in safra, that's right. I just use the SSC gyms, as it's the cheapest around and most accessible for me. I'm still a poor undergraduate. see. thats the point. you chose to believe. i chose to doubt. and why all these up-stir of flamming here? maybe i should go into all the details like what he ate, how much he slept, how long he trained...etc..etc..to doubt a person's claims? maybe, well, maybe not. like what oracle said, we can all choose to agree or disagree. whats your stats like? maybe you could enlighten me with your training tips. i've been training ignorantly hard for 3yrs+ and i'm still handling miserable weights... and which SSC did you train at? which one could allow us to do clean and jerk?
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Post by lok3 on Oct 8, 2004 2:22:02 GMT -5
see. thats the point. you chose to believe. i chose to doubt. and why all these up-stir of flamming here? maybe i should go into all the details like what he ate, how much he slept, how long he trained...etc..etc..to doubt a person's claims? maybe, well, maybe not. like what oracle said, we can all choose to agree or disagree. whats your stats like? maybe you could enlighten me with your training tips. i've been training ignorantly hard for 3yrs+ and i'm still handling miserable weights... and which SSC did you train at? which one could allow us to do clean and jerk? Freakazoid u bodybuild ya? i go ard all ssc gyms and i find that even the biggest guys can't rep close to 3 plates on the bench easily ;D whereas captnj training is more like sports specific where he can be all nutsty in his body and rather chose to squat a ton furthermore if u take into account his 7yrs training, squatting this much is more like definately and not just probally ;D
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Post by mriya on Oct 8, 2004 2:31:20 GMT -5
i dun understand why you are taking this as flaming, when I did not even consider your posts as flaming to captnJ. "Agree to disagree" you say , but when comment on your posts, it is "flaming"? my stats? frankly i've never measured my arms or legs size etc. training tips...you should ask captnJ. he's got much more training experience and knowledge, as well as strenght. or maybe hire him as your personal trainer. perhaps he might help you to progress and set new goals for yourself. woudn't that be wonderful ? anyway I did my oly lifts in a gym overseas, where i was for 3 months. yes , they are not allowed in SSC.
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Post by Freakazoid on Oct 8, 2004 2:45:50 GMT -5
Freakazoid u bodybuild ya? i go ard all ssc gyms and i find that even the biggest guys can't rep close to 3 plates on the bench easily ;D whereas captnj training is more like sports specific where he can be all nutsty in his body and rather chose to squat a ton furthermore if u take into account his 7yrs training, squatting this much is more like definately and not just probally ;D oh yar..i almost forgot... he is not a bodybuilder at all.
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