Ocelot
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Post by Ocelot on Jun 7, 2005 9:27:33 GMT -5
12 Weeks Cutting Cycle
Week 1 -3 : Clenbuterol
40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/40/40 mcg/day
Total needed for the 3 weeks : 69 tabs of Clenbuterol
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Week 4 – 6 : Ephedrine
3 – 4 Tabs of Ephedrine everyday ( Avoid taking Ephedrine 4 hrs before bed to avoid insomnia )
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Week 7 – 9 : Clenbuterol
40/40/40/60/60/60/80/80/80/100/100/100/80/80/80/60/60/60/40/40/40 mcg/day
Total needed for the 3 weeks : 69 tabs of Clenbuterol
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Week 10 – 12 : Ephedrine
3 – 4 Tabs of Ephedrine everyday ( Avoid taking Ephedrine 4 hrs before bed to avoid insomnia )
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A little note on how to use Clenbuterol & Ephedrine :
Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking abt 8 liters of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.
Taurine MUST be used with Clenbuterol at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps.
Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace . The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight)
Do not take Clenbuterol Past 5pm and drink plenty of water abt 8 liters a day.
Fat loss: Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.
*** The above info is for entertainment purpose only .The above dosage on Clenbuterol and Ephedrine are based on safety guideline . You can up the dosage if you feel it's safe to do so .
*** Recommended item that can cut you up even better : Levothyroxine Sodium ( T-4 )
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TeRry
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Post by TeRry on Jun 8, 2005 14:21:43 GMT -5
clen is good stuff.... little side effects... except for abit of shakes..  ... and the amazing thing about clen is..u can see ur wasit slimming and ur abs more visible...but ur strength is increasing slowly...  |
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Post by shearer on Jul 7, 2005 12:13:20 GMT -5
yup clen is good but gives me horrible cramps everiwhere including abs and legs especially. however i bought pottasium supps and it went away. also the hand jitters is so so apparent. i do a 2 wk eph and 2 wk clen instead.
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Ocelot
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Post by Ocelot on Jul 8, 2005 13:10:06 GMT -5
yup clen is good but gives me horrible cramps everiwhere including abs and legs especially. however i bought pottasium supps and it went away. also the hand jitters is so so apparent. i do a 2 wk eph and 2 wk clen instead. where is your Taurine ? Besides , Clenbuterol is better to use together with Ketotifen . |
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Post by shearer on Jul 9, 2005 2:20:57 GMT -5
hi ocelot i found that pottasium suplemntation stopped any cramping effect... cos i take additional taurine from other creatine stacks. well i guess i was wrong in buying pottasium suplements cos i juz found out that pottassium is plenty in the myoplex shakes 400+ mgs per shake. and i take up to 5 shakes too. aniwae bro ocelot do u mind telling me the period of time at which i shud continue this eph/clen cycle? i am also taking equipoise, proviron, winstrol oral and nolvadex concurrently.
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Post by shearer on Jul 9, 2005 2:23:36 GMT -5
one more thing bro i hope i"m asking the right person... hope u have answers to my questions... rite now i am a lean mass cutting cycle. i am on a calorie deficit stage now... but since i am on AAS cycle, does that mean i can still grow lean muscle? i want to lose excess bodyfat but i don want to hamper my muscle gaining process. can u help out?
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Ocelot
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Post by Ocelot on Jul 9, 2005 9:16:04 GMT -5
one more thing bro i hope i"m asking the right person... hope u have answers to my questions... rite now i am a lean mass cutting cycle. i am on a calorie deficit stage now... but since i am on AAS cycle, does that mean i can still grow lean muscle? i want to lose excess bodyfat but i don want to hamper my muscle gaining process. can u help out? Hi Shearer , steroids only help to preserve your muscles on a calorie deficit enviroment . Are you preparing for a contest ? growing lean muscles ? what is your doseage of the steroids , how long is your cycle and your diet ? PS : If i am using Boldenone , I will try to run a cycle about 15 - 16 weeks followed by PCT of Clomid and Nolvadex . I love proviron always never fails to give me a sharper abs . |
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Post by Ocelot on Jul 9, 2005 9:19:26 GMT -5
hi ocelot i found that pottasium suplemntation stopped any cramping effect... cos i take additional taurine from other creatine stacks. well i guess i was wrong in buying pottasium suplements cos i juz found out that pottassium is plenty in the myoplex shakes 400+ mgs per shake. and i take up to 5 shakes too. aniwae bro ocelot do u mind telling me the period of time at which i shud continue this eph/clen cycle? i am also taking equipoise, proviron, winstrol oral and nolvadex concurrently. Actually no need to buy potassium tabs when using Clen because can easily get the potassium from abt 2 bananas . It's the bloody Taurine man . Btw bro how many drugs are you running ? care to post your cycle here ? Do you have ketotifen ? hey you will need it when using Clenbuterol man . |
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Post by shearer on Jul 11, 2005 5:53:01 GMT -5
week one to 12, i am using 300 mg boldenone per week, for the whole 12 week duration. then in 3-10 week i be using winstrol tabs(i love those)25-50mg a day. proviron 50 mg per day from 5-12 weeks. end with nolvadex at hand. heard that models use proviron for photo shoots too!  also used eph and clen in conjunction with milk thistle and vit b6 for liver. my ephedrine is 25 mg twice a day with 200 mg caffeine. not bad i wud sae. as for clen i haven decided yet. two qns 1)is clen really needed to be stacked with ketotifen? i mean, i will be cycling it so i hope i won be down regulating anything. 2)and bro, i have use dianbaol before last time without side effects. but, now, on equopoise and winstrol and clen, i have major mood swings... i can be so happy one day and the next i will hit my gal...  i noe it sucks. sometimes i even break down and cry for an hour just walking alone home. the funny thing is tat i look better than ever!!! its not as if i am having post cycle depression even!!!! i really don noe why... sigh. but it really sucks cos i feel so dpressed and like as if there is nothing for me to live for if u noe wat i mean. |
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Post by shearer on Jul 11, 2005 5:56:50 GMT -5
my doctor said its normal to have hormonal mood changes wen on these drugs. nice chap really can talk openly. i don noe. mebbe after this cycle i stay natural for a while to see the differencees in gains. funny thing is that i am eating barely 2200 calories a day. many folks tell me i wont gain muscle, but i am able to cut and at the same time build dense hard muscle. i have even added an inch to my arms. my chest looks better than ever too. i was told online tat this cycle is for lean mass cutting cycle, means can gain quality mass, unlike someone on sustanon or dinabol where its kinda hard to keep gains anfd there is water/fat retention etc...
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Ocelot
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Post by Ocelot on Jul 11, 2005 9:52:28 GMT -5
week one to 12, i am using 300 mg boldenone per week, for the whole 12 week duration. then in 3-10 week i be using winstrol tabs(i love those)25-50mg a day. proviron 50 mg per day from 5-12 weeks. end with nolvadex at hand. heard that models use proviron for photo shoots too! also used eph and clen in conjunction with milk thistle and vit b6 for liver. my ephedrine is 25 mg twice a day with 200 mg caffeine. not bad i wud sae. as for clen i haven decided yet. two qns 1)is clen really needed to be stacked with ketotifen? i mean, i will be cycling it so i hope i won be down regulating anything. 2)and bro, i have use dianbaol before last time without side effects. but, now, on equopoise and winstrol and clen, i have major mood swings... i can be so happy one day and the next i will hit my gal... i noe it sucks. sometimes i even break down and cry for an hour just walking alone home. the funny thing is tat i look better than ever!!! its not as if i am having post cycle depression even!!!! i really don noe why... sigh. but it really sucks cos i feel so dpressed and like as if there is nothing for me to live for if u noe wat i mean. ok enjoy reading your story as for your stanozolol , i think it's kinda too long don't you think so ? 8 weeks ....bro 6 weeks at 50mg per day is more than enough . Btw , any special reason why you run proviron from week 5- 12 ? wouldn't it be better if you run it right from the start of the cycle at 50mg everyday . depression and mood swings are common . hey i experience that too haaa ...as for clenbuterol , yes it is better to stack with ketotifen as it has the ability to prolong the effect of clenbuterol . Hope my info helps PS : Where is your Testosterone ? It's best to use test as a base for all cycles . That's just my opinion . |
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Post by xtrememass on Jul 11, 2005 11:11:42 GMT -5
as for clenbuterol , yes it is better to stack with ketotifen as it has the ability to prolong the effect of clenbuterol . If taking ketotifen helps to prolong the effects of clen, does it mean ephedrine is not required? |
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Post by shearer on Jul 11, 2005 13:26:56 GMT -5
hi xtrememass i guess clenbuterol cannot be used continuosly for a long time because it loses its fat burning abilities after prolonged continued use.... as such during the 2-3 weeks "off" period, u can use ephedrine in its place. stack 25 mg eph wif 200 mg. personally i love ephedrine. i take in the morning and i have energy the whole day and also thru workout till i fall asleep. personally i have beter results with ephedrine than clenbuterol.... and remember to take lots of protein to offset any muscle catabolism resulting from fatburner usage
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Post by xtrememass on Jul 12, 2005 10:07:48 GMT -5
Hi shearer, thanks for the tip. U got pm. hi xtrememass i guess clenbuterol cannot be used continuosly for a long time because it loses its fat burning abilities after prolonged continued use.... as such during the 2-3 weeks "off" period, u can use ephedrine in its place. stack 25 mg eph wif 200 mg. personally i love ephedrine. i take in the morning and i have energy the whole day and also thru workout till i fall asleep. personally i have beter results with ephedrine than clenbuterol.... and remember to take lots of protein to offset any muscle catabolism resulting from fatburner usage |
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Post by TeRry on Jul 13, 2005 21:32:49 GMT -5
just wondering...does clen and ephedrine hit the same receptor or different one?
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... and the amazing thing about clen is..u can see ur wasit slimming and ur abs more visible...but ur strength is increasing slowly... 
also used eph and clen in conjunction with milk thistle and vit b6 for liver. my ephedrine is 25 mg twice a day with 200 mg caffeine. not bad i wud sae. as for clen i haven decided yet. two qns 1)is clen really needed to be stacked with ketotifen? i mean, i will be cycling it so i hope i won be down regulating anything. 2)and bro, i have use dianbaol before last time without side effects. but, now, on equopoise and winstrol and clen, i have major mood swings... i can be so happy one day and the next i will hit my gal... 
i noe it sucks. sometimes i even break down and cry for an hour just walking alone home. the funny thing is tat i look better than ever!!! its not as if i am having post cycle depression even!!!! i really don noe why... sigh. but it really sucks cos i feel so dpressed and like as if there is nothing for me to live for if u noe wat i mean.