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Post by ultimate on Jul 22, 2005 14:41:55 GMT -5
Diet follow train? Or train follow diet?
I believe the train follow diet way. Dun understand? If you train like my friend captj, he train to get stronger, he eat more as his appetite increases because he is doing his training right, he gets bigger and stronger. If someone has to force feed himself to gain weight the training part probably need improvement. If someone do more aerobics, the appetite will diminish, eat less without feeling hungry, diet part is easy.
If someone choose not to exercise at all just try to diet and sit around. The appetite do not diminish cos body dun need to keep itself at a certain weight to maintain mobility. Make sense?
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Post by Greentea on Jul 22, 2005 20:04:10 GMT -5
Aerobic doesn't suppress my appeitite , in fact it increase my appeitite . well , those who knows me , i'm a cardio freak , will feel sluggish without doing cardio . I will choose Diet over training , i remember i started off with a good and well control diet , at that time , i feel very energetic every workout . now i feel different , although poundage still increases , but doesn't have that good feeling , due to poor diet ( potato chips and crackers are common for my diet) .
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Post by KelvinL on Jul 22, 2005 20:09:32 GMT -5
I belive a certain amount of force feeding is necessary. Sometimes you cannot just leave it up to your appitite.
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Post by Greentea on Jul 22, 2005 20:19:28 GMT -5
I don't have to force myself to eat , i can eat for 24hrs .
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Post by lok3 on Jul 22, 2005 23:58:26 GMT -5
U can diet and lose wait but not train and lose weight ;D I feel sometimes, u have to force urself to eat, not when ur full, but when ur to lazy to cook something up.
Furthermore, eating clean is also like forcing urself to eat. Who wanna eat steam chicken EVD ;D
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Post by ultimate on Jul 23, 2005 1:36:29 GMT -5
Aerobic doesn't suppress my appeitite , in fact it increase my appeitite . well , those who knows me , i'm a cardio freak , will feel sluggish without doing cardio . I will choose Diet over training , i remember i started off with a good and well control diet , at that time , i feel very energetic every workout . now i feel different , although poundage still increases , but doesn't have that good feeling , due to poor diet ( potato chips and crackers are common for my diet) . I think you are still far from you maximum mass potential. Meaning you can still pack on 5-10kg before becoming aerobically "impaired". ;D
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Post by ultimate on Jul 23, 2005 1:39:35 GMT -5
I belive a certain amount of force feeding is necessary. Sometimes you cannot just leave it up to your appitite. Yes there are research on force feeding growing muscles without training. Where people who are bed bounded, fed with extreme calories high in protein. They gain muscles but with a bit more fat gain. Food can be the ultimate drug to create the ideal hormonal environment to grow muscle but unfortunately that come with fat gain. But I do agree short term cycling of calories and protein are absolutely necessary to grow. ;D
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Post by ultimate on Jul 23, 2005 1:42:09 GMT -5
U can diet and lose wait but not train and lose weight ;D I feel sometimes, u have to force urself to eat, not when ur full, but when ur to lazy to cook something up. Furthermore, eating clean is also like forcing urself to eat. Who wanna eat steam chicken EVD ;D Forced feeding can probably be done short term like a week at most or so and psychologically and physically you will give up (probably need to stop for a few days to eat more according to the appetite), I believe. Any thing longer will upset the body. ;D
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Post by jonathan on Jul 23, 2005 2:50:20 GMT -5
Diet follow train? Or train follow diet? I believe the train follow diet way. Dun understand? If you train like my friend captj, he train to get stronger, he eat more as his appetite increases because he is doing his training right, he gets bigger and stronger. If someone has to force feed himself to gain weight the training part probably need improvement. If someone do more aerobics, the appetite will diminish, eat less without feeling hungry, diet part is easy. If someone choose not to exercise at all just try to diet and sit around. The appetite do not diminish cos body dun need to keep itself at a certain weight to maintain mobility. Make sense? I think you meant to say you believe diet follows training right? From the example of CaptJ, that's what it looks like to me. He does this, as a result he eats like that. You train like this, as a result you start eating like that. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Training to follow diet sounds pretty ridiculous, as much sense as "I take supplements, so I train to make the muscles grow". (Yeah, someone actually me told me that before! He decided to one day he wanted to grow big, look huge, so he started eating a lot of bodybuilding supplements, and working out to make the supplements work!)
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Post by lok3 on Jul 23, 2005 5:14:23 GMT -5
Aerobic doesn't suppress my appeitite , in fact it increase my appeitite . well , those who knows me , i'm a cardio freak , will feel sluggish without doing cardio . I will choose Diet over training , i remember i started off with a good and well control diet , at that time , i feel very energetic every workout . now i feel different , although poundage still increases , but doesn't have that good feeling , due to poor diet ( potato chips and crackers are common for my diet) . I think you are still far from you maximum mass potential. Meaning you can still pack on 5-10kg before becoming aerobically "impaired". ;D LOL aerobically impaired ;D
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Post by Greentea on Jul 23, 2005 5:29:04 GMT -5
Aerobic doesn't suppress my appeitite , in fact it increase my appeitite . well , those who knows me , i'm a cardio freak , will feel sluggish without doing cardio . I will choose Diet over training , i remember i started off with a good and well control diet , at that time , i feel very energetic every workout . now i feel different , although poundage still increases , but doesn't have that good feeling , due to poor diet ( potato chips and crackers are common for my diet) . I think you are still far from you maximum mass potential. Meaning you can still pack on 5-10kg before becoming aerobically "impaired". ;D Well , i already aerobically "impaired" . Now my main priority is to achieve as many medal as possible . now i have 9 trophy 1 medal on my desk , One more coming , 100metre race
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Post by Greentea on Jul 23, 2005 5:29:47 GMT -5
I think you are still far from you maximum mass potential. Meaning you can still pack on 5-10kg before becoming aerobically "impaired". ;D Well , i already aerobically "impaired" . Now my main priority is to achieve as many medals/trophies as possible . now i have 9 trophies 1 medal on my desk , One more coming , 100metre race
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Post by ultimate on Jul 23, 2005 6:26:46 GMT -5
Diet follow train? Or train follow diet? I believe the train follow diet way. Dun understand? If you train like my friend captj, he train to get stronger, he eat more as his appetite increases because he is doing his training right, he gets bigger and stronger. If someone has to force feed himself to gain weight the training part probably need improvement. If someone do more aerobics, the appetite will diminish, eat less without feeling hungry, diet part is easy. If someone choose not to exercise at all just try to diet and sit around. The appetite do not diminish cos body dun need to keep itself at a certain weight to maintain mobility. Make sense? I think you meant to say you believe diet follows training right? From the example of CaptJ, that's what it looks like to me. He does this, as a result he eats like that. You train like this, as a result you start eating like that. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Training to follow diet sounds pretty ridiculous, as much sense as "I take supplements, so I train to make the muscles grow". (Yeah, someone actually me told me that before! He decided to one day he wanted to grow big, look huge, so he started eating a lot of bodybuilding supplements, and working out to make the supplements work!) Yeah you got me correct. ;D Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by ultimate on Jul 23, 2005 6:30:48 GMT -5
I think you are still far from you maximum mass potential. Meaning you can still pack on 5-10kg before becoming aerobically "impaired". ;D Well , i already aerobically "impaired" . Now my main priority is to achieve as many medal as possible . now i have 9 trophy 1 medal on my desk , One more coming , 100metre race Just remember you told me you are endomorph to begin with right? Maybe what I am experiencing with aerobic diminish my appetite applies to ectomorph. I recently has a client who is endomorphic in nature and have very slow heart rate like 35 beats per minute, the military doctors are looking if he need to be down graded, but he told me he can do a 2.4km in around 9 mins. Beats me...
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