ability of glutamine absorption in our guts .

[Greentea]

debate

[ultimate]

fitmania said:

debate

Didn't you see me debating with another guy in another forum on this issue already? The debate has ended. ;D

[Greentea]

ultimate said:

Didn't you see me debating with another guy in another forum on this issue already? The debate has ended. ;D

huh huh .. where ?

[irx]

ultimate said:

Didn't you see me debating with another guy in another forum on this issue already? The debate has ended. ;D

ot: hello ultimate

[ultimate]

irx said:

ot: hello ultimate

Hi, how are you today? ;D

[irx]

finally registered after lurking for some time.

[ultimate]

Here's the scoop on my debate with the other guy about Glutamine in the other forum.

He mentioned that many experts on the net wrote that Glutamine is worthless, cos body made plenty of Glutamine.
- I disagree because Glutamine is considered a conditionally-essential Amino acids by many unbiased scientific journal articles. It's a case of the experts he has on the net versus the mainstream scientific.
community.

The other party also cut and paste an very detailed article, that even I cannot comprehend properly. Basically the article, is trying to say that Glutamine do not make it to the bloodstream and is therefore worthless.- I cannot comment on that article cos I cannot understand it. But I do come across many unbiased, peer-reviewed scientific articles that indicate Glutamine supplement is of benefit to prevent the symptoms of overtraining. From there, I deduce that Glutamine must be absorbed to a certain extent. I actually found one of the experts who is against Glutamine he mentioned, selling a product that contains 3g of L-Glutamine per serve.

Basically, Glutamine is found to be very beneficial to many types of body cells, like the immune cells and gut cells. Muscle cells serve as Glutamine reserve, when body need Glutamine they get it by breaking down the muscles. The scientific backing for Glutamine is 2nd to none except Creatine Monohydrate.

[irx]

yup, also i got very little understanding, but those peeps are reputed enough that they got my attention at least.

just that, on the personal lvl, i won't touch glutamine. recovery has never been a problem for me given my age

[ultimate]

irx said:

yup, also i got very little understanding, but those peeps are reputed enough that they got my attention at least.

just that, on the personal lvl, i won't touch glutamine. recovery has never been a problem for me given my age

You are right, Glutamine is not a must have supplement.

[irx]

but i may try it if i have some spare cash. maybe the coming CNY get angpow money can try $$$$.

btw, ultimate, have you any take on BCAA's ? i take more than adequate amount of protein daily (150-200g @ 155lbs, ), and ive read conflicting reports of the use of BCAA's.
i
one side says adequate protein provides all the BCAA the body needs, while the other think it promotes recovery and protein synthesis blah blah details i didn't bother readng?

[ultimate]

irx said:

but i may try it if i have some spare cash. maybe the coming CNY get angpow money can try $$$$.

btw, ultimate, have you any take on BCAA's ? i take more than adequate amount of protein daily (150-200g @ 155lbs, ), and ive read conflicting reports of the use of BCAA's.
i
one side says adequate protein provides all the BCAA the body needs, while the other think it promotes recovery and protein synthesis blah blah details i didn't bother readng?

I believe you probably do not need any L-form BCAA supplement, as your protein intake is already very high. Even if you do, get it from undenatured Whey protein, 23g of Whey protein contains as much as 5.5g of BCAAs, besides that this protein also have many functional benefits. I am glad you brought up the issue of BCAAs, cos they are very important in bodybuilding.

[irx]

around 50% of my calories come from whey - it's hard to find caesin and other slow digesting protein which tastes good and is affordable. so, im sticking to dymatize elite for now

[ultimate]

irx said:

around 50% of my calories come from whey - it's hard to find caesin and other slow digesting protein which tastes good and is affordable. so, im sticking to dymatize elite for now

Sticking to Whey is a great idea in my opinion. Whey's biological value is the highest of all protein at 104. Just take a glass of milk if you need casein before you sleep (you get 8g of Casein plus 300mg of Calcium).

Just a point to note, there is no research that show Casein have any functional health benefits to Human. Human do need much more Whey than Casein as human milk protein is 80% Whey and 20% Casein, whereas in Cow's milk the other way round. Maybe Casein may have some heath benefits for Cow, momo.

What's is micellar Casein by the way, Bro Fitmania? What is the benefit of getting Casein Micellarised? ;D

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ultimate said:

Sticking to Whey is a great idea in my opinion. Whey's biological value is the highest of all protein at 104. Just take a glass of milk if you need casein before you sleep (you get 8g of Casein plus 300mg of Calcium).

Just a point to note, there is no research that show Casein have any functional health benefits to Human. Human do need much more Whey than Casein as human milk protein is 80% Whey and 20% Casein, whereas in Cow's milk the other way round. Maybe Casein may have some heath benefits for Cow, momo.

What's is micellar Casein by the way, Bro Fitmania? What is the benefit of getting Casein Micellarised? ;D

miceller is undenatured form of casein proteins . as you say , undenatured whey proteins is the best form of whey . which have a high BV of 104 ? i tot the max is 100 ? so ... miceller is the undenatured form of casein which is best form of casien and study showns that it's has 7hours of anti-catabolism properties . unless you are darn rich , if not , i think miceller is not your choice for night time problem IN MY OPINION ONLY

[ultimate]

fitmania said:

miceller is undenatured form of casein proteins . as you say , undenatured whey proteins is the best form of whey . which have a high BV of 104 ? i tot the max is 100 ? so ... miceller is the undenatured form of casein which is best form of casien and study showns that it's has 7hours of anti-catabolism properties . unless you are darn rich , if not , i think miceller is not your choice for night time problem IN MY OPINION ONLY

Talking about the Biological Values rating, I am talking to my fellow scientists on where is the scientific reference for Whey having a BV of 104 based on some supplement label. But I have no doubt that undenatured Whey will have a higher BV than whole eggs. BV of Whole eggs used to be the golden standard=100. But since undenatured Whey come along, they will have to move lower than 100 or whey will have a BV higher than the reference (100). You see, BV like GI is based on a reference value.

As for the "micellar" term, is another joke from the supplement industry to me. If the BV of Casein is just 77. What higher BV can we expect with it being undenatured? 80? Even 78 I think is an exaggeration! In my personal view again. ;D